shalom and pre-historic utopia

February 11, 2010Sarah Lynne

“They grow no food, raise no livestock, and live without rules or calendars… What do they know that we’ve forgotten?”

This is an excerpt from the beginning of a National Geographic article on the Hadza, a small hunter-gatherer tribe in northern Tanzania.  Reading this challenged the usual assumptions I’ve had celebrating civilization.  As I read about the strange, austere life described in National Geographic, I also felt an odd sense of longing, despair, and hope.  This wasn’t the first time I’ve felt this way.  In my anthropology and sociology classes in college a lot of my assumptions about the “progress” of civilization was challenged and I became more sensitive to the pervasiveness of these assumptions in Western culture’s mythology.

I remember spending a summer in Swaziland and having a conversation about how, in spite of all the negative effects, colonialism was ultimately a good thing because it saved Africans from their unprogressive culture.  Just recently, I heard the argument that, in spite of the oppression that resulted from the hierarchy formed in the patristic period (in church history), it was ultimately a good thing because it saved Christianity from remaining a “folk religion.”  This disturbs me, and despite many of my concerns about sometimes ideological nature of “primitivism”, I nonetheless think it presents an important challenge to civilization that needs to be wrestled with.  Consequently, I will (with a hesitant mistrust of labels) come out now as an advocate of the primitivist critique.  I say that simply meaning that I think our love affair with the civilization needs to be questioned, and so far I’ve enjoyed the depth of questioning that results when we are willing to go so far as to engage the idea that a pre-civ lifestyle is the healthiest alternative.

As I mentioned above, primitivism is the perspective I developed while studying Anthropology. According to primitivism.com (a website with several interesting articles on the subject), primitivism is “the pursuit of ways of life running counter to the development of technology, its alienating antecedents, and the ensemble of changes wrought by both.”  Dictionary.com’s definition (which I also think is a good one) is: “a recurrent theory or belief, as in philosophy or art, that the qualities of primitive or chronologically early cultures are superior to those of contemporary civilization.”

One reason this perspective is attractive to me is because there seems to be a correlation of increased oppression, environmental damage, and illness with the advent of agriculture and rise of civilization.  At the same time I found many of the qualities attributed to a hunter-gatherer lifestyles to be much more utopic than I had expected.  As Finkel reports of his experience with the Hadza:

“The Hadza do not engage in warfare. They’ve never lived densely enough to be seriously threatened by an infectious outbreak. They have no known history of famine; rather, there is evidence of people from a farming group coming to live with them during a time of crop failure. The Hadza diet remains even today more stable and varied than that of most of the world’s citizens. They enjoy an extraordinary amount of leisure time. Anthropologists have estimated that they “work”—actively pursue food—four to six hours a day. And over all these thousands of years, they’ve left hardly more than a footprint on the land.”

Furthermore, though gender-roles are distinct in many hunter-gatherer tribes (and among the Hadza), they are in some ways less distinct than within most “civilized” cultures.  For example, men and women among the Ibo almost evenly share childcare and women are treated in an egalitarian manner, without the kind of forced subservience we find in our culture.  Women also have the freedom to leave men who mistreat them, a “luxury” only recently granted women in our country.

Why don’t I think this is possible without dismantling civilization?  First of all, since highly stratified, ecocidal societies are directly related to the advent of agriculture, differentiated labor, and the building of cities, I don’t believe that the positive qualities of primitivism can be achieved on a large scale.  We must begin organizing ourselves in smaller communities in order to facilitate unalienated experiences that can break down prejudices and hierarchical assumptions.  Of course living in small communities won’t automatically break down oppressive structures and habits, but I believe this is the best environment for doing that kind of work.

This is because small intentional communities (aka: “tribes”) make non-hierarchical forms of decision-making  and accountability possible.  [Based on the size of the human neo-cortex, one anthropologist even presented a possible biological reason why we do not maintain order without violence on large scales (more than about 200 people).]  Within small communities, authority can be based on relationships and granted willingly by members of the communities, as opposed to institutionalized authority, based in violence and/or wealth, which exists in all our current nation-states. There are methods for non-heirarchical decision-making on larger scales, but even these are based in smaller communities.

Specific forms of sustenance also play a much larger role in oppressive practices and environmental damage than many like to admit.  As Mark discussed in his recent article, globalization and the monolithic agricultural complex has provided us with a wide variety of foods, but at the expense of many of our neighbors.  Historically, the development of large scale agriculture lead to specialization in labor, which supported increasing stratification and (as predicted by sociologist Emile Durkheim) increasing levels of alienation in highly specialized societies.  It also lead to the development of cities, population growth, and increasing cases of infectious disease.

It didn’t necessarily do great things for our nutritional health either, as an emphases on growing only a few crops (the ones that easily took to domestication) lead to a decrease in health.  Some of us, presumably the most privileged, eventually recovered from the effects of agriculture on our health, but that took at least 8000 years.  On the other hand, the Hadza still have a healthier, more varied diet than most of their neighbors.

I hope that intentional communities will play a greater role in a rejection of civilization and move towards primivitism (this is one of the reasons I moved into one).  Though still existing in a civilized context, I would love to see our sustenance move further into the “foraging” style.  Dumpster diving, gleaning, and salvaging food left over from soup kitchens (believe it or not even they often have a surplus!) shouldn’t simply be about getting free food or “downward mobility.”  Its an opportunity to learn how to live according to our needs, re-orienting our tastes in the process.  One of the other upside-down qualities of hunter-gatherer groups is that they live as if they have abundance (not storing up food and easily discarding items) though we often assume they must live in scarcity.

One perspective on this is that hunter-gatherers have adopted a “Zen road to affluence”  believing “that human material wants are finite and few, and technical means unchanging but on the whole adequate.”  In this article, Marshall Sahlins simply argues that hunter-gatherers have learned to live on less.  Sahlins roots our continual disastisfaction (or sense of “not enough”) within our culture’s acceptance of capitalist principles, founded on notions of scarcity and great need (in our case, ever increasing created needs).  On the other hand, hunter-gatherers tend to have a remarkably different view of their economic situation, eerily similar in my view, to Jesus’ discussion on economy in Matthew 6:19-34.

Just to be clear, I’m not arguing against any domestication of plants and animals (though, I think, we even need to begin to think about how domestication can equal domination in a way that is unhealthy for both us and the rest of creation).  I’d agree with Mark, viewing gardens as a healthy alternative to agriculture  as pre-agriculture, pre-civ horticultural societies tended to avoid the problems related to agriculture.  In general though, I believe that learning to submit to what we can forge (even in a city) and what we can grow to feed our small communities would help us overcome our over-consuming tendencies.  Obviously in frigid Minnesota this would require some food preservation, but that would certainly be a step in the right direction.

There are implications of this perspective that are troublesome.  If we did move in a primitivist direction, people would presumably have shorter life-spans, infant mortality rates may rise (the natural desire to produce more children than we can actually sustain is probably related to higher rates of infant mortality), the human population would certainly decrease (but it would probably have to decrease if we completely switched over to organic, family run farms as well, and our population isn’t sustainable anyway), and some areas would have to drastically depopulate (as mentioned in the comments under Mark’s article).  I personally am not sure if these are actually problems or if we just need to re-evaluate our perspective on life and death.

Does valuing life mean extending life-spans, increasing the population, and avoiding death at any cost?  Or is it more related to the quality of life that can be sustainably supported?  In-spite of our ever-increasing population and long life-spans, our destructive life-styles (built on human suffering, violence, and the degradation of the environment) seem to indicate an ironically suicidal and pathological fear of death, not a healthy value of human and non-human life.  If an ethical, sustainable, life-giving life-style means that people will naturally have shorter life-spans and higher infant mortality rates, then maybe we need learn to live with death in a healthier way.  Clearly an earlier natural death is preferable to lives built on oppressive, unsustainable practices.

I keep referring to civilization as alienating, and I think this is connected to our relationship to death.  In my understanding, this all comes back to the way we use technology as a mediator between ourselves and creation.  Civilization is built on one principle, foundational level of alienation and increases from there, primarily built on the alienation of humans from the rest of creation.

Agriculture alienates us from the spontaneous production of our landbase.  City-dwellers supported by agriculture are further alienated.  Instead of living off the work of our hands we rely on the work of people (who we don’t know) to provide us with creation’s fruit.  Then, the wage system alienates us further.  If we work for a corporation our work is owned and distributed by an abstract entity that we manufactured (I prefer to delineate between what God does, i.e. “create” something from nothing, and what we do, which is making things from creation, by calling it “manufacturing”).

The level of our alienation from God’s creation is evident in the way we meet our basic needs.  We rely on technology we manufactured.  If we need water, we turn on the tap.  We rely on light produced by electricity.  Our dependence on the landbase is not any less than it ever was, but our relationship with it is less intimate, and consequently we don’t relate to it in a healthy way.  We pollute and waste the God-given water we need to drink, relying on the things we make to provide for us, and our technological ingenuity to save us.

Education, eating, drinking, the fruits of our labor, relationships we have within society, all of this things are mediated by civilization (or technology and cultural forms that arose in and supports a civilized context).  Death should be included in this list.  Wendell Berry’s short story Fidelity illustrates this well, when a young man takes his father from a local hospital so he could peacefully die in their family’s woods.  This is followed by a state investigation of the “kidnapping.”

At the end of this story, the small town’s lawyer is approached by the state investigator for information.  The lawyer refuses to comply and questions the state’s and the officer’s right to involve themselves in the situation.  He says that people belong to each other, and to the land and the people they’ve come from.  He says that they don’t belong to the hospital, or the state; that they aren’t the property of any organization.  But we have made ourselves the property of organizations.

We’ve sold ourselves to corporations, and we’ve put our children and elderly and dying under the stewardship of schools and nursing homes and hospitals.  We’ve done this because civilization requires it of us.  It demands our service, mediates our relationships, and squanders our resources.  This is the primary problem I have with civilization, it’s a complex form of idolatry that we’ve ensnared ourselves in.  As a result, I hope that we can be challenged to resist our culture’s love-affair with progress, technology, and “development.”  If we are going to move towards and embody Shalom, we need develop new eyes and values that will look for ways to challenge this system of death and domination.


  • jonaslundstrom

    Thanks for this very interesting and well written article. I´m glad you´re addressing these questions, I´ve personally struggled a lot with these the last year. I have ended up so far being critical of civilization, though I´m not a primitivist, since I believe that there were things happening even before civilization (maybe primarily human violence) that we need to get rid of in the long run.

  • SarahLynne

    Thanks for bringing that up Jonas. There may have been things happening that I wouldn't want to take part in… cultures vary as well. Different environments and histories prompted different practices, some of which I wouldn't want to replicate. Also, I don't feel like I should be understood as advocating replication. We have the history and context that we have. We need to move from where we are and that will create something that will look different than if this wasn't our history. I offer this as a critique. My question isn't, “how do we get back to that,” but how do we move forward? What kind of things are we challenging and disengaging from, or simply using for a period, and what kind of things are we embracing? What are we moving towards?

  • http://www.wiselywoven.com J Fowler

    wow! powerful!

  • stefanwarner

    JOHNZERZAN

  • jonaslundstrom

    Yeah. I read the article (why i´m not a primitivist) that you linked to, and I tend to agree, if possible, both with your post and that one. I hope you´ll return to this topic again.

  • http://jamesbrett.wordpress.com/ JamesBrett

    i'm curious if the studies on the hunter/gatherer lifestyle are actually across the board. i live in tanzania and have been reading some about them. i don't have the book with me right now, so i probably will not report correctly what i read most recently… but i was reading in 'a biography of the continent africa' that the studies on hunter/gathers don't actually produce the benefits often attributed them. rather it has more to do with location and food supply — mostly the amount of fat received through diet. i believe the author mentioned specifically the hadza as having benefited mostly from a certain nut that was available in their diet.

    have you read anything similar?

  • SarahLynne

    I started writing this article in Dec and struggled with how much to qualify my statements and fought against sounding polemical. I ended up deciding to omit a lot of the qualifications I could have stated because I hoped they would come up in the comments, which thankfully they have : )

    I haven't read that book either, but I wouldn't be surprised if the local environment affected the kinds of food available and whether the people in the area could maintain a balanced diet hunting and gathering. I'm not sure what else the author means by not producing the “benefits” attributed to them, but certainly, truly scarce resources could affect their culture in ways that I wouldn't like (wasn't there a lack of protein in Papua New Guinea? And the upper Northwest American tribes had an abundance of food). I don't advocate returning to some caricature-ized hunter-gatherer lifestyle. That would be impossible as their lifestyles varied greatly. I've read of many practices I wouldn't want to replicate.

    That being said, I guess I just still think the critique of civilization here is important, and I am arguing that pre-civ (I don't have a lot of energy to hypothesize about how “strictly” hunter-gatherer it should be) practices and lifestyles are a viable, and could be a healthier, alternative. This is something we need to explore and seriously consider. It can also show us ways to live sustainably as we reject or seek to undermine destructive aspects of civ that we currently rely on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lanilenore Lani Moore

    very interesting…

  • mountainguy

    I read this article at national geographic two weeks ago. Nice to see some follow up from a christian perspective.

    One thing that sounded in my mine was that Hazidi people has never undergone famine, wars, and they have a healthy lifestyle (what I liked the most was their 6 hours a day journey of work :) . However, on the bad side was the HIGH death mortality rate on babies.

    Another topic that could be discussed is their (aparent) indifference to anything religious/mistycal (while this is not in any way close to civilized atheism/irreligiosity). How to deal with this when we are called to share the gospel (which is akin to be “worried about something religious”)?

    Nice article, Sarah

  • SarahLynne

    I thought the irreligious aspect was very interesting as well! Well… actually, not so much “interesting,” but in a weird way it moved me. There was something about it that was very refreshing. I hadn't thought about this aspect of the article for a while, so all I can recall now is my emotional response. I would like to spend some more time on it.

    I feel like “the gospel” was rooted in a specific context. They were under empire and fully embedded in a civ context. “Complex” religion (I'm still wondering how I should refer to that, b/c I don't know that animistic religions are any less complex) developed in civilization… It's like how Christianity went from a “folk” religion to what it is now. That is not necessarily a good thing. I remember reading a description of folk religion (in a book that was degrading it as well) and thinking it actually sounded closer to what I wished Christianity was than what it currently is. Consequently, I'd be interesting in exploring what the gospel will look like as we reject the assumptions and lifestyle that civilization promotes (and then, what would that mean to “share” that with someone else that isn't embracing civ). I'll go back to the article and look back over that section. Thanks for pointing it out. Did you have any initial reactions when you read that part?

  • BTrailor

    Yes! Yes! Yes! I really like how you put it, that mankind has a love affair with civilization. It is something I'm as guilty of as all. I think you do a nice job of illustrating the real bummer of the matter: that the love of civilization stands between people and creation. It's really sad to me to think that because we thought we could build something better, we have almost completely been divided from creation, which was designed to provide for every need : [ I think your article expresses a great deal of hope though, that there are real practical ways that we can subvert that powerful influence that civilization has had. Thanks for writing this!

  • http://blog.merefaith.org/ Chris S

    Sarah,

    Greetings. I too have recently wrestled with the primitivist critique. Although I have also found some very compelling points for consideration, in the end I find myself less than satisfied with both the diagnoses and the solutions contained within this framework. For one, the terminology of “civilization” appears too ill-defined; a catch-all for “whatever developments I don't like” and a cipher for dualistic oppositions between the “primitive” and the “civilized” that lack historical nuance. On the solutions side, primitivism is little more than a fantasy game in the minds of civilization's privileged. There is no way to enact the primitivist utopia on a global scale and, even if it could be done, the massive die-off of humanity which would result would be monumentally horrendous. I remember reading an Irish anarchist writer who, critiquing primitivism, noted that his native country's population would have to drop from 4 million to about 10,000 to support only hunter-gatherers.

    Meanwhile, I can't quite square primitivism with Scripture, Ched Myers notwithstanding. I grant that whatever civilization is, the Bible recognizes that it comes with heavy price tags. The domination system of Babel and Rome are opposed with all vigor. But in the end, the early Israelites who make covenant with God are led out of the wilderness…and become farmers. And, as much as someone like Myers may point out that the New Jerusalem of Revelation is “greened” by the tree(s) of life and river flowing through its center, it nevertheless remains a city. The apocalyptic vision of the last book of the Bible, however much it speaks of the old passing away, evokes the image of a purified city, not a wilderness, for the marriage of heaven and earth. So perhaps something of “civilization” (again, whatever that is) can yet be redeemed…

  • SarahLynne

    I mentioned in the article (and in another comment I think) that I'm not really interested in making strong claims about being strictly hunter-gatherers. It's an argument that I do feel like would be an exercise in hypotheticals, about things I have no experience with. I've heard people claim that domestication equals domination. I don't make those kinds of claims, though I do think it is important to be wary of domestication. For example, I recently heard a scientist claim that genetically modifying pigs was simply a continuation of domestication that occurred which allowed pigs to evolve in the first place. There are similarities, Interaction with humans, at some point deliberate on the humans part, occur in both cases, but I don't think its the same.

    On the other hand, humans breeding animals for their own use can be ugly even without genetic modification. Think about the health problems that pure breed dogs can have… I always think of pugs, who were breed to simply be good companions to humans, and have terrible breathing problems (btw, I love pugs, so this isn't some kind of vendetta against them). There is something really sad and sick to me, what we've done to them, so while I don't feel comfortable making strong ideological statements about everyone becoming hunters and gatherers, I do feel comfortable making strong statements against a lot of the things that make civilization possible, which I think we need to question and resist.

    I also feel comfortable making strong statements against things (like genetically modified plants and animals) that make our population level possible. Hunting and gathering would not sustain the world's population level. I've heard that organically run farms wouldn't either. Wendell Berry talks about how most cities couldn't be supported by local food. I briefly discussed this dilemma in the article. Besides a sense that we may have a warped perspective on what supporting life is in this culture, I also want to question whether our population is really healthy and sustainable anyhow. Is civilization really sustainable? If what I argued, that civilizations aren't healthy or sustainable, but is actually opposed to life-giving life (as opposed to simply “lets get as many people on one planet as possible” life), then this could culminate to something much worse and much more monumentally horrendous than if people stopped buying into the myths of progress and civilization and started figuring out how to live in different ways.

    If we had done this much sooner it would've been less horrendous for sure. And I understand the difficultly and pain, both personally and philosophically, that this brings. I don't know how I should discuss that here, so I'll just say, that I don't feel like there is anything easy or lovely about what any individual or group would deal with when it comes to death or the unsustainability of our population (or the things we do to currently support it, or what might happen if we stopped supporting it). What I can say, is that this is a less dramatic feeling to me as I don't image somehow orchestrating this all at once on a global scale. I know others think differently about this (and would damn me for not liking the idea of “enacting” it on a global scale), but I don't see how this could happen in a non-dominating, non-authoritarian way (when I do, I'd be open to it). Consequently I imagine that a massive die-off will happen some other way and hope that if enough people figure out how to live differently, than we will somehow be able to assist survival. Maybe that is my wishful thinking though?

    Finally, I think interpreting the Bible around these things is difficult. I could easily read the “greened” city as a beautiful post-apocalyptic city if that is my perspective. Also, the Bible often uses imagery that I don't imagine is meant to baptize the real life referents. For example is kingship imagery meant to mean that people shouldn't oppose authoritarianism or monarchy? Didn't God still mourn that Israel wanted a king? My understanding is that Christ's kingship makes a mockery of earthly kingdom. Using the same word begs the comparison, and it brings with it force associated with the word, but it doesn't mean that we should build kingdoms (in any actually historical, tangible sense of the word).

    I have no problem with Israelites becoming farmers (sorry if that doesn't make me primitive “enough”). I do have a problem with city-building, and with large-scale agriculture that enables the building of cities, which are and have always been built on the backs of slaves. The domination systems of Babel and Rome are prototypical of the kind of system civilization relies upon. If the city of God looks anything like what we think of as civilization and cities than I don't want anything to do with it. I don't think it would though. There is enough in the Bible that indicates to me that God despises such things as well. I imagine it would be a very upside looking city. Maybe it would even be empty. A relic, reminding us of what we overcome. Of course, that kind of thing is just speculation : )

  • http://blog.merefaith.org/ Chris S

    Sarah,

    “I'm not really interested in making strong claims about being strictly hunter-gatherers.”

    Well, it would probably be important to figure out, if only for the sake of clarity in conversation with others, what kind of “primitivism” you think you're advocating. In the main, primitivists take Jared Diamond's line about agriculture being the “worst mistake in history” and run with it. The cultivation of plants and domestication of animals (deterministically?) sent us down the path toward social stratification and violence. It would seem that trying to hold onto some form of agriculture makes one's primitivism incoherent. John Moore's loose definition that you cite above is really broad enough to include in its wings neo-agrarians such as myself, neo-Luddites, or maybe someone who's read a couple of Neil Postman books. It doesn't go far enough to describe the radical critiques leveled by Daniel Quinn, Derrick Jensen or John Zerzan.

    “Hunting and gathering would not sustain the world's population level. I've heard that organically run farms wouldn't either.”

    You're absolutely right about hunting and gathering, as I pointed out, but I think you're wrong about non-industrial farming. First of all, we know that our current global agricultural system provides more than enough food to feed everyone right now – to the tune of 2800 calories per person per day! Forty to fifty percent of all food ready for harvest in the United States does not get eaten. So allocation alone – no easy task, perhaps, but at least it's a socioeonomic constraint rather than a biophysical one – can ensure that every person alive right now, and even some more, could have more than enough to eat.

    But we agree that the industrial food system should not continue. It is living on borrowed time as it degrades topsoil at catastrophic rates while making zombie soil out of what's left with fertilizer. It reduces biodiversity. It relies on fossil fuel inputs that will not last forever. It sustains modern forms of labor that we might as well consider slavery. It's probably even bad for our health.

    Yet suggestions that we switch over to organic farming are met with the charge that only industrial agriculture can offer the productivity to feed the number of people we have right now and may expect to have in the near future. So people diverge here – they either do what they can to support the current system in the short term as they kick the can down the road, or they begin arguing strenuously that population control and reduction must be introduced somewhere between now and yesterday.

    But I suggest that both options are built on a fundamentally flawed myth that we need industrial agriculture to feed our nearly 7 billion people. It is worth quoting extensively from Vandana Shiva's essay, “Globalization and the War against Farmers and the Land” in The Essential Agrarian Reader:

    ***
    Contrary to the myth of linear, industrial progress, comparative studies of twenty-two rice-growing systems have shown that indigenous systems are more efficient in terms of yields, and in terms of labor use and energy use. Both from the point of view of food productivity and of food entitlements, industrial agriculture is deficient as compared to sustainable farming systems based on diversity and internal inputs….

    Ecological agriculture is based on mixed and rotational cropping and the production of a diversity of crops. The polycultures of traditional agricultural systems have evolved because more yield can be harvested from a given area planted with diverse crops than from an equivalent area consisting of separate patches of monocultures. For example, in plantings of sorghum and pigeon pea mixtures, one hectare will produce the same yield as 0.94 hectares of sorghum monoculture and 0.68 hectares of pigeon pea monoculture combined. Thus one hectare of polyculture produces what 1.62 hectares of monoculture can produce. This is called the land equivalent ratio (LER).

    Increased land-use efficiency and higher LERs have been reported for polycultures of millet/groundnut (1.26); maize/bean (1.38); millet/sorghum (1.53); maize/pigeon pea (1.85); maize/cocoyan/sweet potato (2.08); cassava/maize/groundnut (2.51). The monocultures of the Green Revolution thus actually reduced food yields per acre when compared with mixtures of diverse crops…

    A myth promoted by the one-dimensional monoculture paradigm is that biodiversity reduces yields and productivity while monocultures increase yields and productivity. However, since yields and productivity are theoretically constructed terms, they change according to the context. Yield usually refers to production per unit area of a single crop. Planting only one crop in the entire field as a monoculture will of course increase its yield. Planting multiple crops in a mixture will have low yields of individual crops, but will have high total output of food.

    ***
    So, at least when we're just looking at the production of food, a population of 7 billion appears sustainable. I grant there are other factors to be concerned about as far as the planet's carrying capacity goes. There will not be 7 billion people living like Americans or anything close to that. I do think, ultimately, we should have a smaller global population. But I'd rather go forward into a more sustainable future exploring the possibilities of a gradual de-escalation from the brink rather than entertaining primitivist ideologies that would require over 99% of the current world population to experience miserable, painful deaths from starvation and war. So yes, let's work towards “life-giving life” instead of assuming an inevitable die-off at the end of which privileged American Christians imagine themselves somehow surviving and raising a toast to the end of “civilization” while neglecting to mourn the many lives and cultures destroyed on the path to their post-historic utopia.

    I know, I know, you don't wish for the die-off. But consistent primitivism calls for it. It is the necessary means to the end of a “feral future.” I fear that any Christian who endorses and advocates primitivism has now surrendered their thoughts to yet another culture of death because the imagined possibilities have now been culled to the few that fit a certain atavistic anarchism. I suppose if you feel the evidences and arguments for primitivism are so sound as to preclude other possible futures then you have no choice. I personally don't find primitivism to be that sound. And I also remain hopeful because, well, there is grace after all. God may yet do a new thing in the midst of human experience that will open more possibilities than we can currently imagine.

    As far as comparisons – human and divine kingship, human cities and the New Jerusalem – comparison still has to be built on the point of similarity. And through these points of similarity redemption is actually channeled. God mourned because human kingship displaced divine kingship, but then he used good kings like Josiah and fulfilled the hopes and promises of the Davidic king in Jesus Christ his descendant. So even a deeply, terribly flawed institution opposed by God at the very beginning is redeemed and transformed. And, despite what you suggest, the New Jerusalem is not at all empty in Revelation. Again, a deeply flawed institution holds the promise of redemption. Yes, the “city” looks very different if ordered by the gospel. But I still find it significant that it is not pure wilderness.

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