RESPONSE: It depends on how we define “anarchist”

December 26, 2011Nekeisha A.B.

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(Or, I hope it is because we are all recovering hierarchists trying to find another way forward)

Editor’s Note: This piece is part two of a series of call and response between Amaryah Armstrong and Nekeisha Alexis-Baker as they consider what possibilities Christian anarchy can provide for marginalized peoples. The conversation grows out of friendship and mutual respect for each other, and from our commitments to living lives of liberation. We aim for to be an ongoing dialogue that builds on each call and response. As a result, we strongly encourage you to begin at the beginning and follow along from there. You can read part one from Amaryah here.

Many things came to mind as I reflected on your questions—some of which I still ask myself almost a decade after unwittingly co-creating this thing we call Jesus Radicals. I had to smile at the “Black Queer Feminist with anarchist impulses” identity you’ve adopted because it reminded me of when I called myself “a Christian with anarchist tendencies” as I sorted out whether anarchism was for me.

Which brings me to my first response. What I value most about anarchism is the integrative and intersectional possibilities the analysis offers. Understood most basically as resistance to hierarchy and domination, and as a method of organizing ourselves that values justice and mutual sharing of power, anarchism holds together for me what are often disparate movements that don’t always speak to one another (despite having myriad similarities at their roots). I’ve seen anti-war activists who aren’t anti-capitalist; anti-capitalists who aren’t feminist; feminists who aren’t anti-racist; anti-racists who are heterosexist; anti-heterosexists who are speciesist; anti-speciesists who still laud the state; and anti-statists who don’t question civilization, even though I see all of these are forms of oppression as closely related. Anarchism, on the other hand, “seeks to challenge domination at all levels of the social order” 1 and “encourages us to see struggles as interconnected, and to act appropriately by building alliances and solidarity between them.” 2 That, I think, is its great potential.

Done rightly, anarchism involves all of the analyses mentioned above, in addition to being consensus-building, justice-building, community-building, liberation-seeking, personalist, mutually-aiding, direct acting, and interested in constructing alternative relationships and systems that are life-giving and -affirming. That many anarchists, Christian and otherwise, on this site and elsewhere, do not always knit these various critiques together—that we often focus on one part of the web while ignoring others—seems to me to be shortsightedness on our part rather than a shortcoming within the political theory itself. Anarchism, at its core, should embrace these various critiques and practices, not as an addendums, but because they each reflect a part of what being “against archy” is supposed to be about.

I came to see the value in anarchism while reevaluating what it means to be Christian, which is why I see it as part of living out my faith. And yet, I don’t call myself a “Christian anarchist.” Personally, I see key tensions between that make me hesitate to join them into a Brangelina-esque “squish name” like that one. Instead, I am a Christian who is anarchist or a Christian-comma-anarchist. I see overlaps between the two, but they are distinct entities that argue at times, even as they bring out the best in each other—and I prefer to acknowledge that in my naming.

Nevertheless, it was rediscovering Jesus and the fullness of his mission, starting with an introduction to the Sermon on the Mount that led me to seriously consider integrating anarchism into my identity. Seeing Jesus as one of the oppressed; as refugee from birth; as one who engaged the powers in ways neither his followers nor his detractors expected; as one who lauded the peacemakers; who upset social, religious and political norms and got himself killed (and raised from the dead) in the process—seeing that Jesus made me wonder if being an anti-war race-conscious Democrat was enough. As my conversation with anarchism and Christianity continued, it was white dudes like Jacques Ellul and John Howard Yoder that first helped me uncover the implications of 1 Samuel 8, of Jesus’ temptations and crucifixion, of the new community in Acts, of the critiques of hierarchical power throughout the biblical text. During that time, non-anarchist and other-than-Christian writers and speakers were also enriching my ongoing thinking—people like the anarchist Black panther who came to our first conference, the professors and the authors I read in my college Africana studies program, and the womanist and feminist theologians, and animal rights advocates I encountered in seminary. Today, other voices continue to deepen my understanding of anarchism and Christianity in the areas of sexuality especially. The “recovery” continues.

As you rightly notice, however, the site does not reflect this diversity and this is a problem that requires both confession and explanation. When my spouse/fellow co-founder Andy and I were the only ones running the site, he was the one who had time and energy to develop the content. And he did so by 1) drawing on resources and thinkers that were formative for him at that time; 2) emphasizing Christian critique of the state and violence since nationalism and war-making remain pervasive sins among churches in America; and 3) creating a comprehensive library of major anarchist and Christian thinker Ellul. So those sections are literally one white heterosexual man’s perspective, with input from me and one or two others as time allowed, rather than even the tip of the iceberg of what this conversation offers. 3 Since that time our thinking has expanded, our partnership has extended to others, and our emphasis has widened—but that section has not been significantly updated, even though each of the organizers knows it needs to be. It is, for all intents and purposes, a frozen section in large part because our energy and our time remain stretched and limited.

That said, if we ever get the time to “add more stuff”—or, better yet, if people out there would take a less consumerist approach to the site 4—I think another rubric is still needed. This is a budding thought here, but instead of highlighting resources from “Christian anarchists,” perhaps a more inclusive method would be to collect resources from people that reflect the spirit and intent of anarchism, whether or not its authors identify themselves as such (something that I hope we are accomplishing through the Iconocast), and to list resources from writers and speakers that are anarchist who can deepen the radical Christian conversation, even if the authors themselves do not hold that faith commitment. I think making a move like that could better reflect the breadth of voices on both sides of these movements, voices which include anarchist people of color from around the globe and people from various perspectives who challenge Christians to go beyond “can’t we all just get along” 101. I welcome your feedback on this idea since it only started percolating as a possible solution in light of your piece.

Finally, I just want to affirm your observations about anarcho-primitivism. As I’ve said in other places, the very name itself strikes me as problematic in that it feels inhospitable to the very people for whom “being primitive” has been the justification for their exploitation and colonization, and it actually is a negative word civilization gave to those “others” that they repressed. Although the aims of the movement are to learn from and affirm the practices of pre-civilized people from much earlier in the human record, and to use those insights as a means to critique the madness we live in now, I’ve tried to be both respectful and honest about my reservations. Since I am much less committed to it than others though, I think it is only fair to let those for whom the thought has been transformative respond to your questions (if they haven’t already by the time this piece is posted).

So this is my response to your first call. Does it increase those anarchist impulses or squelch them? Does it shine some light on anarchism’s potential to be more than a “radicalizing space for white folks to organize under” or raise more questions about its usefulness? Looking forward to another call as we dialogue together.

Notes:

  1. Bob Torres, Making a Killing: The Political Economy of Animal Rights, (Oakland: AK Press, 1997), 127
  2. Ibid., 126.
  3. To be transparent, I ran this past Andy to make sure I was not misrepresenting him.
  4. An ongoing frustration for me continues to be what I see as a consumer-producer relationship between the site and those who use it. There seems to be this strange and frankly non-anarchist approach to Jesus Radicals that expects “us” to create the “ultimate anarchist experience” instead of people seeing themselves as possible contributors to a radical Christian and anarchist network that would make the site more sustainable in the long run. Perhaps we have unwittingly created that expectation. Maybe it is a symptom of something deeper. But either way, my sense is it needs to be resolved if we are going to continue for the long, long-haul.
  • http://cimarronline.blogspot.com/2004/05/paul-munn.html paul munn

    This is good. I especially appreciate the encouragement to “take a less consumerist approach.”

    I’d also like to add a word of gratitude for the resources that have been made available on this site. Sure, they’re not comprehensive (and obviously not a “canon”), but I really appreciate the time and energy and financing that you and Andy have offered over many years to make all that is here available as a gift. I remember a pretty confusing, desperate time in my life when the discovery of the texts and discussions here were a big part of how God sustained and deepened my faith. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Very nicely expressed! Thank you!

  • Jeremy

    How would you like us – the JR community – to contribute more and be less consumerist towards this site Nekeisha? :)

    • Anonymous

      Hi Jeremy–Well one way would be to help us collect other resources for the various we have listed which can help us better represent what anarchism is about. That would be a great first start. Andy basically found and scanned all that information that is there in his own time by himself with some help here and there. Not only recommendations but people who were willing to track down and send us material would be helpful. I have more ideas but not enough time to type it now unfortunately.

  • primaltruth

    Nekeisha, as I have seen you say in a few places something as here, “I’ve tried to be both respectful and honest about my reservations” regarding anarcho-primitivism, I would say that where in one place you spelled out I thought very clearly what your reservations were in response to something I posted. I answered as well as I could, but you still stating you have the reservations without answering my response does not show me that you ever saw it. Where my answer comes short I would like to hear from you, otherwise still seeing you say you have reservations just suggests you will not really give it the perspective a chance.

    • Anonymous

      I may have missed your post primal honestly. But for the record I feel like I did give the perspective a chance…it just isn’t my main focus and hasn’t fully captured my attention. I like Layla Abdel Rahim’s take on things, mostly because we have a personal relationship that I feel is safe to bring questions and exploration into. She builds a lot on Zerzan, whom I also respect, but also extends the thought in a way I feel drawn to,

      • primaltruth

        If missed, I remind you of a response once made to me:
        “As I understand it, primitivism in its current form has offered the following: …
        I think it would be good to recognize the limitations of our thought, whether it is anarchist, mainstream/leftist, primitivist in actually dealing concretely with the situation”
        http://www.jesusradicals.com/the-biblical-mandate-for-ecological-responsibility/

        My response, for each point from you, was also in an essay I submitted, not posted, evidently not sufficiently well written, you could let me know what there would be still making reservations:

        I will go along if we agree to not to make portrayals with a broad brush. I will first agree “it
        would be good to recognize the limitations of our thought”. I am not the one enabled to provide
        the more robust primitivist argument, although I can see it would be out there. But I am one to
        surely give such argument from Christian perspective. Let me make response to each point.
        1) We agree, good, I ‘ll skip here, but I might post argument of it still in the future within topics
        for any still needing to hear that.
        2) The thing neglected here in such calculations is that there is no way to expect realistically that
        all the great collections of human populations are going to immediately change to the most
        sustainable way of living. Those that do, which would likely be less than what may
        optimistically be hoped for, but I promote that hopefulness, make less demand on the world than
        those remaining with civilization, their absence from civilization diminishes in relation the
        demand of civilization compared to the alternative of those who would make the change
        remaining, land being more available than otherwise, with better more sustainable and efficient
        use. I particularly endorse growing vegetation needed with diminished or eliminated dependence
        on meat from animals, which clearly makes more ecological demand. Remaining civilization will
        not make less demand on land per person.
        3) I will not knowingly talk disparingly of the other views expressed, and do not think I have.
        Others have indeed done much good. In light of highly probable crises of which primitivists are
        aware, it might be said all such good things, good as they are, are not enough for dealing with
        everything. It can be conceived that there will be some of humanity building their society
        without civilization in numbers that will work, in this incorporating justice that is desirable with
        associated characteristics. If I find other Christians joining in such goals, the right living that can
        be known from Jesus is to be made a part of it. There is consistency in this, I think others should
        come to see. For me, it is to be sought within this life-time, not just for talking. Doing it can be
        inspirational to others, and it can be seeking inclusiveness.
        4) Recycling or any of those things on an individual level will not change the alterations in
        climate enough alone. Civilization might (a long stretch) all cooperatively change the effect on
        the world in lessening the harmful impact, but it will certainly not stop. Only those who move to
        living the sustainable way without more harm to their part of the world will be involved in a stop
        to the harmful impact, hopefully more coming to join in that alternative, while civilization, even
        if its harms are somehow decreased, is truly lessened in that by those who participate changing to
        the sustainable, efficient way of living. The harm from collapse is not desirable, certainly for
        Christians, but any of us preparing in this way make a kind of stability for those with which we
        can when it comes to happen. Truly trusting in providence is more justified in living right.
        I would not strive to end civilization, other than participating in contributing such an alternative.
        Would not accomplishing such things be a concrete approach? Not lessening the good others do,
        but initiating this alternative, that accounts for others in pursuing this in Christian perspective
        that I seek from others.

        I have posted elsewhere a mumber of times inclusive of the forum once available agreement for not needing dependence on use of animals.

  • Anonymous

    Hi again Jeremy…sorry for not being more thorough in my response above. I had to jump off the computer sooner than I expected and didn’t get my thoughts situated before posting.

    I think some of the things I have struggled with as an organizer for the past decade-plus is how to broaden it beyond being just “two people’s thing” (which is how it started), and how JR can play a coordinating or a facilitating role without becoming overly centralized–how to be a true network instead of a nonprofit (which people have encouraged us to become by the way and which I have intentionally resisted for a whole host of reasons). I think we’ve made some progress on broadening in the way we organize the conference–used to be that Andy and I did that and the conference happened in whatever place we lived. Now it involves communities that are not dependent on our location. And I think we have made some progress on broadening with the site since teaming up with Mark and Jesus Manifesto and the Iconocast. I think that has been a tremendous help to expanding the hands that put this thing together.

    At the same time, I think there is room for more committed, diverse hands to be involved. The site is essentially run by three people, one of whom has significantly less time to be involved than before. I think people might have the impression that there is a fleet of people keeping the site running, making sure bills get paid (and yes there are bills), sending out the newsletter, and finding writers to write. But it’s basically 2.5 of us. We just got a new submissions manager in Ellen, and she is catching up with a backlog of materials. Now part of the issue is that we have not been transparent about this so it is understandable that people may not know this is the reality of what is going on. But I think in my mind, I kept expecting that people would say, “Hey this is really cool…how can I help?” and not “Hey this is really cool.” And then “Hey this is not cool anymore” when things don’t go as they want.

    So how can people help? I think there are three things I would like to see as far as the site goes. As I mentioned before, we could use a lot of help updating and expanding the resources we have in the anarchism, theology and creation sections. As I mentioned in my response, Andy put almost all of that material up there himself years ago and that was a huge benefit when we got started, but Amaryah is right in naming that it leaves out key voices that have brought to bear on the radical Christian and anarchist discussion for years. We don’t just need recommendations for who to add. We need people who are willing to say “Have you thought about including so-and-so? Well I have access to this and that and can get it to you.” and then scan or type or do whatever it takes to make those materials available for us to add.

    People also say they want a forum. Well running a forum takes an incredible amount of work if you want it to be the kind of space that facilitates the kind of discussion we used to have before it broke down. We would need moderators who actually moderated and took the time it takes to do that well. We would need people willing to design the look and feel of it who would be committed to getting it done in a timely way. We would need a lot of hands to do what one person was doing for 10 years and is no longer able to do that anymore.

    The third thing is that we need recommendations for writers who are not a part of the dominant social groups (white, male, heterosexual and/or middle-upper class backgrounds) who we could contact to see if they would be interested in writing for us. We have and receive a lot of good voluntary contributions from those folks. And I have been personally trying to ask sistas I know to be involved. But I also know the folks I am asking are overworked, underpaid and already being asked to do multiple things by multiple people in and outside of their communities. This is an issue that women and men and women of color often face…institutions representing the dominant model tend to tap people who are already very busy to help “increase diversity” and its a two-edged sword. It would help to broaden the list of people who can help reshape the conversation we have going now because we are missing something when it is only one kind of voice speaking.

    So those are some concrete things I can think of. Sorry to be so long-winded about it :)

    • Travis

      I know how to setup, run, and keep an eye on forums (it’s been a while though). Someone contact me. I was on the old forum for only a short time before it closed, but it was a great resource for me. Actually I found my current community by searching the archives for mentions of my city.

      • Anonymous

        Travis…what is the best way to reach you? Can you send a message through our contact page? http://www.jesusradicals.com/about/contact

      • primaltruth

        For God’s sake, I hope a forum would be set up, run, and an eye kept on it, with you Travis doing what you can in that if you would, and announcing it here for participants here, as myself, to know we can come to it, let us know here in JR discussion about it if and when it is started, or what help is needed for starting it. I in the same way was on the old one for Jesus Radicals just a short while before it closed, just enough time to appreciate its potential. Continuous communication could be pursued making possible moving toward goals that are discussed, rather than just having discussion in response to essays that are submitted recently, without it leading to things being done for the most part, which is the limit here without forums. No occasion of coming to a community through this for anything near my locality ever happened, as might have if that old forum had not closed that soon. I want participation with something like a forum, which I would be doing, for approaching positive results

  • Chelsea

    This is helpful, thank you…. Moves me to pray over becoming a more active participant. Quick question, do you allow for reprints/reposts (or whatever they’re called) for the blog content? Would be easier to ask folks I know who are in underrepresented communities if they could share work they have already done, than asking them to write something original for this audience. I looked over the submissions page and didn’t see any preference stated for first-print work.

    • Anonymous

      Hi Chelsea–Actually it is funny that you raise this because Mark, Andy and I agreed that we would accept content that was posted elsewhere (as long as it wasn’t on some other widely popular blog like Salon or The Guardian or NYT because that creates other problems). Personally, I feel like it will help to attract more non-dominant voices, and be more invitational to folks who are already swamped and/or who are already committed to writing for their primary communities to also contribute to JR.

      Noting that we accept re-posted content is something that I want to include in my invitations to regular contributors, but it would probably be worth adding it to the submissions guidelines as well… Mark and or Andy–what do you think?

  • http://twitter.com/_petegarcia Pete Garcia

    Thanks so much for this. I’ve been wrestling with what anarchist Christianity means and whether such terminology is appropriate and/or relevant (in my contexts of seminary and local church). What you mentioned in your second paragraph is what I deeply appreciate about the anarchist critique, though it becomes sort of “ism”-melting pot–throw every critique of power, exclusion and hierarchy together and call it anarchism (though that fails to highlight the positive aspects of self-organization, consensus and mutuality, etc).

    The broader Christian community could never swallow the descriptor “anarchist.” It fascinates me that the Occupy Movement is largely dominated by anarchist values and tactics but that label never gets thrown around. Is the term anarchist more threatening (misunderstood) than it need be and thus it’s become necessary to eschew it in favor of something else? Or should we reclaim it? Or should we just give it time and commit ourselves to pursuing it academically and communally? I’ve read Christoyannopolous, but there is a lack of distinctly anarchist theology for our present context. Should we be creating these things or drawing from theologies that lend themselves toward anarchist values (Moltmann, Ruether, McFague, Elizabeth Johnson, Cobb, Yoder, Wink, etc)?

    • Chelsea

      I’ve heard “libertarian socialist” as another word for anarchist that people find less scary.

    • Anonymous

      Good questions around “what to call it” :)

      Personally, I call myself anarchist in spaces where it makes good sense to do so. What does that mean? Well people at my job know that I am an anarchist and I find that it actually opens up room for conversation there. People at my Mennonite church that I used to go to in NYC knew I was anarchist too and that was largely very positive. At the A.M.E. church where I just started going however, I have not yet felt like its the right time to use that name for myself. But that doesn’t mean I don’t “act” anarchist or that people don’t know that there is something different about me or that I don’t find other language with which to articulate anarchist ideas that I have. I think when I get to know them better and they get to know me better, there will likely be a day when I will say it plain like that. But for me it is not about what label you use so much as it is knowing when to use it, how to use it, and whether or not you are doing your best to live it out.

      That said, I don’t think it is necessary to eschew the term altogether any more than I think it is necessary to stop calling myself Christian. Christian probably has more negative baggage than the term anarchist when you think about it, but it is important for me to let others see a different idea of what a “Christian” is and that’s not necessarily going to come out of I call myself something more obscure like “follower of The Way” even if that is Biblical and that is what Jesus earliest followers were known as, and could be more positive. Same thing with anarchist. People hear the term and think of people clad in black throwing things and that is the only image that is sealed in their minds. Well that is one depiction of anarchism and I am happy to embody another as well.

      Finally I have kind of aversion to let other people’s fear define what I call myself. And by that I don’t mean that I want to be abrasive and irritating just to be that. I mean that there are people who would probably feel more comfortable if I called myself African American other than “Black” or any other host of things. But I don’t want fear to control my other actions, so I don’t really want fear to control my own identity either.

      That is just my take. I am sure others will have a different perspective too :)

      • http://twitter.com/_petegarcia Pete Garcia

        Great analogy to the stigma that the term “Christian” carries with it. I think you’re right; it is positive to reclaim radicalism and demythologize some of the caricatures of labels like anarchist.

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