In episode 70 Joanna interviews Beth Roy. Beth Roy was born into a Jewish family and raised in Texas where she attended a segregated high school at the time that the Supreme Court decided Brown v. Board of Education. Nurtured by parents committed to racial equality, she has built a life with a quest for justice at its center. She is an author, educator, therapist and restorative justice practitioner. She was part of founding the Practitioners Research and Scholarship Institute, a dynamically diverse group promoting writing and relationships among oft-marginalized people. In 2008, the project published its first anthology, Re-Centering Culture and Knowledge in Conflict Resolution Practice. She resides in San Francisco with her partner and two playful dogs.
In episode 69, recorded in the fall of 2017, Joanna interviews Carol Lee and Sarah Lee.
Carol is second generation Chinese American of Toi San background. Carol works with PICO California growing faith communities’ institutional capacity for long-term justice work in Oakland, California. Their program creates accessible on ramps to uncover the root causes of injustice in housing, policing, and immigration policy, while cultivating communal spaces to creatively, seriously, and maximally steward their communities' power and resources for collective liberation.
Sarah is a second generation Chinese American of Hokshan and En Ping descent. Sarah works as a Sanctuary Organizer with Interfaith Movement for Human Integrity, developing networks of community safety for immigrants through congregations and immigrant justice coalitions. Her specific focus has been uplifting the stories of formerly incarcerated immigrants and those most in danger of deportation through a project called Migrants in the Pulpit.
In 2017 they created the “Reading is Resistance” Readathon for people of Asian and Pacific Islander descent. The commitments of the readathon included: to speak and act from a deep foundation of the historical work for liberation, to imagine and create a more loving and just world, to resist cultural amnesia by reading and sharing knowledge, and to support organizations doing critical work.
In episode 68 Joanna interviews David Solnit. David is an artist, organizer, writer, and puppeteer. His activism began in high school with draft resistance organizing and hasn’t stopped since. He was part of shutting down the WTO in Seattle in 1999 and in San Francisco the day after Iraq was invaded in 2003. This past year he spent time at Standing Rock, creating art and telling the story of that struggle, as well as helped to organize art at the People’s Climate March in Washington DC in April. He currently works with 350.org as the North American Arts Organizer.
In the San Francisco Bay Area he organizes with anti-corporate capitalist, climate justice, anti-war, human rights, and environmental justice groups. He is editor of Globalize Liberation: How to Uproot the System and Build a Better World and with his sister, Rebecca Solnit, he co-wrote The Battle of the Story of the Battle of Seattle.
In this episode, recorded at the Kinsler Bartimaeus Institute in February of 2017, Elaine Enns and Ched Myers reflect on the fragmentation of movements for justice since the Beyond Vietnam speech. Ched shares about the disillusionment following the 60s when justice-minded people broke into niches, focusing on one issue to the exclusion of the rest. Elaine offers the wisdom of Audre Lorde who challenged people to "do their own work" and recognize that our very bodies are intersectional and therefore our movements must be as well.
Elaine Enns and Ched Myers are co-directors of Bartimaeus Cooperative Ministries. Elaine recently completed a doctorate of ministry on historical responsibility and intergenerational trauma among Canadian Prairie Settler Mennonites and their relationship with Indigenous neighbors. Ched Myers has authored many books, including Binding the Strong Man and Say to This Mountain. Together Ched and Elaine reside in the Ventura River Watershed.
Opening song by Joshua Grace, with Charletta Erb on violin.
In this episode, recorded at the Kinsler Bartimaeus Institute in February of 2017, Elaine Enns, Ched Myers and Joanna Shenk offer input on the history of enslavement, the eras of reconstruction and the drafting of the Beyond Vietnam speech that Dr. King delivered on April 4, 1967, one year before he was assassinated.
Many people in movement communities are familiar with the Beyond Vietnam speech, but few know about the man who drafted it, Dr. Vincent Harding. Elaine and Ched offer analysis of the history of movements for justice in the United States, encouraging us to neither overplay our current political reality or underplay the obstacles and oppression of the past. Joanna shares from her personal relationship with Dr. Vincent Harding and from his own words describing the experience of drafting the Beyond Vietnam speech and what it means for us today.
Elaine Enns and Ched Myers are co-directors of Bartimaeus Cooperative Ministries. Elaine recently completed a doctorate of ministry on historical responsibility and intergenerational trauma among Canadian Prairie Settler Mennonites and their relationship with Indigenous neighbors. Ched Myers has authored Binding the Strong Man and Say to This Mountain. Together Ched and Elaine reside in the Ventura River Watershed.
On episode 65 of the Iconocast Joanna interviews Father Richard Smith. Father Richard Smith was ordained a Jesuit priest in 1978 and worked for several years in parishes in Washington State. Later, after receiving a Ph.D. in Ethics and Social Theory from the Graduate Theological Union, he taught Religious Studies at various San Francisco Bay Area Universities, before working as a technical writer in Silicon Valley.
After his reception as an Episcopal priest in 2000, he served as a Priest Associate at St. John the Evangelist, working heavily for immigration reform in San Francisco's Mission District, a largely Latino community. In 2013, he became Vicar at St. John's and has worked to deepen his congregation's commitment to the larger community. He helped establish Mission Nightwalks, an effort by faith communities to stem both police and gang violence in their neighborhood.
His congregation now opens their doors each weekday morning for homeless neighbors to sleep in a safe, dry space. And, with hostility toward immigrants increasing, St. John's has now become a Sanctuary congregation, accompanying and protecting newly arrived undocumented immigrants in San Francisco.
Father Richard lives in San Francisco with his husband Rob and their son David.
In episode 64 Joanna interviews Zephyr Elise. Zephyr Elise is mixed indigenous artist, filmmaker, animator, and activist. They graduated from the Evergreen State College in 2012 with a B.A. in film and a specialization in queer and indigenous studies. Born in San Diego, CA they have since lived up and down both coasts, but currently call the #NoDAPL encampment at Standing Rock, ND home.
In former incarnations, they have been an organizer with Idle No More- Two Spirits on Ohlone Lands, the executive media assistant for Indian Canyon Nation of Ohlones, and sat on the Two Spirit Council of Indian Canyon. They will be overseeing the Winyan (Lakota: woman) camp, a woman, children, and two spirit safe space in the Oceti Sakowin camp for the winter.
Photo credit: Jools Joules
Late in the day on October 22, 2016, Zephyr wrote the following reflection about the resistance of water protectors at Standing Rock, North Dakota. Within the next week Zephyr was arrested while praying and was released the next day. To support those who have been arrested, give to the Sacred Stone Legal Defense Fund. For a list of supplies needed at camp, visit sacredstonecamp.org/supply-list.
"Today Oct 22, as always, we met as a camp for sunrise ceremony, prayers, and sacred songs. We left to go show support to relatives who had left earlier than we did to put their bodies on the line to shut down construction of this destructive pipeline. We walked close to ancestral burial sites and offered tobacco that our presence wouldn't disturb them any further than their rest has already been disturbed by the construction. Songs were sung as the womyn led the two mile March to a worksite.
The hill was steep and our group got separated. One main body of about 100 continued forward to try to reach the worksite. Another 30 of us couldn't make the descent and crossing. Our small group was met with an armored police vehicle, officers with long range rifles or automatic rifles. We held the road at the crossing. Many sang sacred songs, others lit sage and smudged. Not knowing what else to do, I fell to my knees in front of 13 officers and prayed...
Prayed for the water that is being threatened, for the four legged/feathered/finned/and crawling nations that are also being threatened. I prayed to my ancestors and the ancestors and spirits of these lands for help, guidance, wisdom, and protection. When I was finished prayed, I climbed the hill only to see our relatives being tear gassed and about 50 defenders rounded up and arrested. The rest of the group retreated towards us. We were told we could return the way we came, but then the police made a charge at those in the back that couldn't walk fast or run. More were taken.
Our elders, children, and those alternately able or injured were threatened. Many were rescued by trucks who came to pick those in the rear up and carry them to safety. Many more had to run over a mile. My uncle was one who ran... A man who is terminally ill and a diabetic. He made sure the elders and children were safe and refused transport. He is a man who helped our group find their courage to resist when many were unsure. He is not alone out here.
Many stayed in camp to pray and watch for our return. Many are still in camp praying for those who were taken. Many inipi (sweat lodge ceremony) will be held tonight to keep our spirits strong. Many grandmothers are cooking nonstop today in the various community kitchens to feed our bodies and heal our spirits. Many youth will run and laugh today reminding us why we fight and will continue to do so to guard these lands and our sacred waters.
Mni (mini) wichoni (wee-cho-knee) is our rally cry for it is a sure truth, water is life. We survived our roughest day out here yet by standing together. We shall continue to stand strong for the waters, for the lands, for the next generations, for the ancestors. Please pray for us. It will only be getting more intense from here on out.
Sending love, blessings and prayers from The NoDAPL camp, Dakota territories at Standing Rock."
In episode 63 Joanna interviews Clayborne Carson who has devoted his professional life to the study of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the movements King inspired. Since receiving his doctorate from UCLA in 1975, Dr. Carson has taught at Stanford University, where he is now professor of history and founding director of the Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute.
During his undergraduate years at UCLA, Dr. Carson participated in civil rights and antiwar protests, and many of his subsequent writings reflect his experiences by stressing the importance of grassroots political activity within the African-American freedom struggle. Carson's scholarly publications have focused on African-American protest movements and political thought of the period after World War II. His other publications include In Struggle: SNCC and the Black Awakening of the 1960s (1981); Malcolm X: The FBI File (1991); African American Lives: The Struggle for Freedom (2005, co-author); and a memoir, Martin's Dream: My Journey and the Legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. (2013).
In episode 62 Joanna interviews Chris Carlsson. Chris is a writer, San Francisco historian, bicyclist, tour guide, photographer, and a book and magazine designer. He’s lived in San Francisco since 1978. He’s written two books (After the Deluge and Nowtopia) and edited six, including: Critical Mass: Bicycling’s Defiant Celebration and Ten Years That Shook the City: San Francisco, 1968-78.
He helped co-found Critical Mass in September 1992, and has ridden with Critical Mass rides in a dozen cities on three continents since then. He has directed Shaping San Francisco, a participatory community history project, since its inception in the mid-1990s, and continues to be co-director of the archive of San Francisco history at FoundSF.org. He also conducts award-winning bicycle history tours a dozen times a year, and hosts an ongoing Public Talks series in San Francisco.
In episode 61 Joanna interviews Sara Miles. Sara is the founder and director of the The Food Pantry and serves as director of ministry at St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Her books include City of God: Faith in the Streets, Jesus Freak: Feeding Healing Raising the Dead and Take This Bread: A Radical Conversion. She speaks, preaches and leads workshops around the country, and her writing has appeared in the New York Times Magazine, the New Yorker, and on National Public Radio.
Joanna is joined by fellow interviewer Suella Lehman Gerber. Suella is pastor of Fellowship of Hope Mennonite Church in Elkhart, Ind., and was visiting San Francisco on sabbatical.
The Iconocast is a collective project of a handful of radical practitioners, separated by thousands of miles, each exploring the way of Jesus in the Empire. Usually, episodes follow an interview format. We don’t always interview Christians or anarchists. Rather, we interview those who we believe have some wisdom to share for those who are exploring the intersection of Christianity and anarchism.
ep: 69: Carol Lee & Sarah Lee
ep.68: David Solnit
ep. 67: Elaine Enns & Ched Myers on Audre Lorde
ep. 66: Elaine Enns, Ched Myers and "Beyond Vietnam"
ep. 65: Father Richard Smith
ep. 64: Zephyr Elise
ep. 63: Clayborne Carson
ep. 62: Chris Carlsson
ep. 61: Sara Miles
ep. 60: Ellen Dahlke & Rick Ayers
ep. 59: Dalit Baum
ep. 58: Corrina Gould
ep. 57: Kazu Haga
ep. 56: Paul Kivel
ep. 55: Lynice Pinkard & Nichola Torbett
ep. 54: Joerg Rieger
ep. 53: Bill Ayers
ep. 52: Micky Jones
ep. 51: Sandhya Rani Jha
ep. 50: Willie Baptist
ep. 49: Thomas Gokey
ep. 48: Anthony Nocella
ep. 47: Mark VanSteenwyk
ep. 46: Vincent Harding
ep. 45: Mary and Peter . . .
ep. 44: Noam Chomsky
ep. 43: Jin S. Kim
ep. 42: Ashanti Alston . . .
ep. 41: Shannon Kearns
ep. 40: Richard Beck
ep. 39: Starhawk
ep. 38: Calenthia Dowdy
ep. 37: Robert Ellsberg
ep. 36: Bruce Levine
ep. 35: Bob Ekblad (part 2)
ep. 34: Bob Ekblad (part 1)
ep. 33: Alexia Salvaterria
ep. 32: Seth Donnovan
ep. 31: Goshen and . . .
ep. 30: James H. Cone
ep. 29: Joyce Hollyday
ep. 28: Jonathan Moyer
ep. 27: Carolyn Griffeth . . .
ep. 26: Eda Uca
ep. 25: Ed Loring
ep. 24: Murphy Davis
ep. 23: Ragan Sutterfield
ep. 22: An Hour on Power
ep. 21: Fr. Richard Rohr
ep. 20: Fr. John Dear S.J.
ep. 19: Anton Flores
ep. 18: Becky Garrison
ep. 17: Stanley Hauerwas
ep. 16: Rita Nakashima Brock
ep. 15: Cornel West
ep. 14: Onelilove Alston
ep. 13: Carol Rose
ep. 12: Seth Martin
ep. 11: Gender, Sexism . . .
ep. 10: Richard Horsely
ep, 09: Brian McLaren
ep. 08: Wes Howard-Brook
ep. 07: Mary Jo Leddy
ep. 06: Jim Douglass (part 2)
ep. 05: Jim Douglass (part 1)
ep. 04: Waziyatawin (part 2)
ep. 03: Waziyatawin (part 1)
ep. 02: Ched Myers
ep. 01: Nekeisha Alexis